Tony Rocky Horror & the four story window
Question
Why did Marsellus Wallace have Tony Rocky Horror thrown out of a four story window?
Potential Answer (also see comments)
JULES
You remember Antwan Rockamora?
Half-black, half-Samoan, usta call
him Tony Rocky Horror.
VINCENT
Yeah maybe, fat right?
JULES
I wouldn't go so far as to call the
brother fat. He's got a weight
problem. What's the nigger gonna
do, he's Samoan.
VINCENT
I think I know who you mean, what
about him?
JULES
Well, Marsellus fucked his ass up
good. And word around the
campfire, it was on account of
Marsellus Wallace's wife.
The elevator arrives, the men step inside.
6. INT. ELEVATOR - MORNING
VINCENT
What'd he do, fuck her?
JULES
No no no no no no no, nothin' that
bad.VINCENT
Well what then?
JULES
He gave her a foot massage.
VINCENT
A foot massage?
Jules nods his head: "Yes."
VINCENT
That's all?
Jules nods his head: "Yes."
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USER COMMENTS
TyrannyOfEvilMen
Mia- "the truth is, no one knows why marsellus threw Tony off the balcony besides marsellus and Tony"
I'm not sure if that's the EXACT quote but it's the basic point
docterjones2
ars89
Answer:
Before i get into explaining why "Tony rock horror" got threw off the building. Let's take a look at the character of "Mia & Vincent."
"Mia & Vincent" are both young and sexy. They love sex,drugs,music etc etc blah blah.
Now Mr. Vincent has just returned from "Amsterdam (Land of Drugs & sex)",and Marsellus knows exactly the type of land Amsterdam is. He was also aware about the nature of Vincent. Marsellus knows he is a loyal dog, But not so loyal that he can trust with his "Sex & drugs loving maniac wife Mia".
Now Just look at the conversations from the Beginning of the Movie;
1.> The whole opening sequence is about Vincent inquiring about Mia because he doesn't probably know anything about her, and after knowing about the "Antwan & Marsellus case" he is more curious.
2.> Vincent just returned from Amsterdam he doesn't know anything about Mia
3.> Everybody knows about Mia's nature including the Bartender & Jules and the whole campfire.
4.> "Word around the campfire is" means everyone knows about Marsellus throwing "Antwan" off the building EXCEPT Vincent.
5.> Marsellus knew Jules will definitely explains what happened with "Antwan" to "Vincent" cause he knew Vincent will definitely ask Jules about Mia in detail. (and it was Jules nature to explain in details)
WHY?
Marsellus threw Antwan off the building for NO Reason. All Marsellus wants to do is to create panic & fear around his camp and specially in Vincent, about the consequences for flirting with his wife.
Means??
Marsellus knew that Vincent will Fcuk Mia with no hesitation after the date. He made an example out of Antwan to put fear in all of his subordinates.
Now Just Look at the Conversation at MIA house after the Dinner.
1.> Vincent gets close to Mia, while dropping her at her house.
2.> Vincent talks to himself in the bathroom about how he should just walk away and not do a god dam thing. (Loyalty is been checked here)
Final Verdict:
All Marsellus wanted to do is to protected his stupid young wife from getting Fcuked from Vincent and "Antwan Rockomaora payed the price for being an example". Marsellus was successful in his plan to put fear in Vincent head.
If not Vincent and Mia would have ended up having sex.
That's why Jules knew a lot about "Mia, Marsellus & Antwan case", and it was Marsellus intentions to let Jules explains the consequence of touching her wife subconsciously to Vincent
peter.grueninger.98
Tony Rocky Horror was thrown off the building because he lost Marcellus Wallace's soul.
Marcellus Wallace pulled out his soul from the back of his head, so he could bet it on Butch's fight; which is why he has a band-aid on the back of his head when he talks to Butch. It is also why his speech regarding "f---ing pride" is ironic.
Marcellus's soul was put in a briefcase and given to Tony Rocky Horror to bet it on the fight. However, Fat Tony is a pot dealer who left the briefcase out while he was making a deal with some college kids.
Enterprising young Brett recognized the value of the glowing soul in the briefcase at Tony's home while buying pot to re-sell and stole the briefcase.
When Marcellus heard about the "soulnapping", he flew into a rage, and pitched Tony off the roof, and sent out his goons to rattle the cages for punk pot dealers.
Jules' young acquantance, Marvin, bought pot from Brett, and saw the case in Brett's place (which is also ironic). Marvin told Jules, Jules told Marcellus, and Marcellus called Brett up from dead Tony's cell at 7:02am... just after Brett and his stoner buddies got back from the 24hr Big Kahuna Burger.
Marcellus told Brett he had 20 minutes to produce the briefcase or he'd be a dead man. Marcellus said 20 minutes because that is roughly how long it would take Jules and Vincent to get to Brett's apartment. The call took 2 minutes.
Brett panicked, after much hand-wringing, he told his buddies who also panicked. One loaded a gun, the other smoked weed and collapsed on the couch, Brett tried to eat, and Marvin hung quietly in the background as he had been told to by Jules. Jules and Vincent arrive at 7:22, hold back 2 minutes, and when Brett failed to appear, they went in and got the case.
When Jules recovers the case, he becomes "the shepherd" of Marcellus's soul, and God intervenes. Jules shepherds the soul back to Marcellus.
Marcellus is furious at Butch because he almost lost his soul in a bet due to Butch's stunt. Marcellus intends to scour the earth for Butch, but God intervenes again when Butch's need to protect his Father's "soul" (aka - GOLD watch) drives them back together. A fight insues that ultimately ends in, truly, the valley of darkness.
Fortunately, Butch has recovered his father's soul, and is now a shepherd himself. Butch saves Marcellus's "soul" and Marcellus, finally understanding the connection between almost-lost pride and his almost-lost soul, lets Butch go with his winnings.
So, Tony fell through a greenhouse because he lost Marcellus' soul. Mia had nothing to do with Tony.
Instead, Mia is a beautiful siren that steals Vincent's heart/soul in a blown kiss, which ultimately leads to his demise... but that is another story.
BAS
Jules_Winnfield
BAS wrote on November 15, 2012
"He didnt die, it just fucked up the way the nigga talks. Mia obviously knows but isn't saying, but it wasnt anything to do with her. She was smirking at the ridiculousness of the question. "
I agree with you, she knew more than she was letting on, and I don't think she really knows why he got tossed either.
She seems to be prepared for the gossip and enjoys it. She knows Tony Rockyhorror is talkin funny.
I think shes stretching the limits of what she actually knows as fact when she says only Tony and Big Man know why.
As his wife, Mia thinks she knows Marcellus pretty good and to hear "foot massage" as the reason for tossing Tony causes her, for a micro-second, to wonder if people like Vince Jules and English Bob know him better than she does. But she knows better and gives that snarky smirk.
We are still no closer to motive.
Regarding: Truth
Peter Grueninger wrote on June 30, 2012
"Tony Rocky Horror was thrown off the building because he lost Marcellus Wallace's soul."
Now that's one tasty burger!
Kudos to you for weaving all of those threads in to a nice tight story. I mean a total fucking fantasy world, but that's some seriously juicy story crafting, which is the whole point.
The MacGuffin inside the case was so well intergrated into the dialogue that you can really develop a strong side story without any actual evidence to support it.
For instance, there is no sign, other than eating burgers in the morning, that Brett and Co. had any involvement with pot, same with Tony Rockyhorror.
I suggest it's more reasonable that Jimmy is a pot dealer as determined by his wearing of a robe, just like Lance, but I digress.
I love what you did with it....that's the magic of the briefcase, it gets the audience creating in their own little Pulp Fiction universe.
Re:
by ars89 on June 14, 2012 wrote a great explaination in Machiavellian terms, as to why Mr Wallace would want to toss Tony Rockyhorror off the balcony, to keep control over Mia and "the campfire", especially Vincent.
While I agree with the facts regarding the conversation about Mia and Tony prior to the hit on Brett and Co., I don't think Marcellus is worried about Vincent coming back into town, because Vincent was running a club in Amsterdam for Marcellus (QT says so when talking about his ideas of the Vega bros movie) and has come back to LA at the request of his boss. It seems like there were plenty of other ways to let Vincent know not to touch Mia. Vincent was picked to do this with Mia, not the other way around. Plus look at that hug Vincent gets in the bar from Marcellus, and the way he knew to call him off Butch when he squared up his shoulders after calling him Punchy/Palooka. Marcellus KNOWS Vincent like a brother.
Ok now that I've picked apart those great ideas,
So why do I think Tony fell off the balcony?
I think it's a lot like how Marvin's face got blown off, an accident.
I can imagine it happened at 4:20pm on a Sunday while Marcellus was watching football with Tony.
Tony's girlfriend (out shopping with Mia) makes him go onto the balcony to smoke, but he's a BIG guy. Tony leans against the railing, which gives way, causing Tony to fall off his balcony and through the greenhouse.
Marcellus is left with a bowl of guacamole and a twitching 450lb hitman in a Raiders jersey. At that point he gets a couple of heavy lifting movers (with a wheelbarrow and a pickup truck) to drop Tony off (before Mia and the GF get back or course) at the ER, where he's worked on by Bonnie.
From there the gossip spreads like wildfire and next thing you know you have word around the campfire. Since there are no witnesses, everyone assumes Marcellus tossed a 450lb guy over the balcony...which makes Marcellus a seriously bad mother fucker, in everyone's eyes, you can pick up Tony RockyHorror and toss him off a balcony, alone, who's gonna say they are tougher than that? Only a damned fool.
This fits nicely into the Fall chilly morning air season.
-Yes I know Butch's Fight is shown to be in July, when the morning air in Toluca Lake is warm at 9:15 on a clear day, take it up with QT. There is no way someone like Jules who's wound up such that he's about to go off like the Guns of Navarone, is a shivering wimp in LA during July, that's all I'm saying.-
It also explains why Marcellus is looking for someone who can hang out with Mia, as Tony's GF isn't interested anymore.
It's total a total fucking fantasy, a world I made up while reading the comments...hope you enjoyed it, and I hope you'll share a slice your own Pulp Fiction pie with the rest of us.
JW
porkchop
Pano
Secret#1) Only Butch & Marcellus know: The gay raping of Marcellus by Zed. When Butch saves Marcellus he says: "Nobody needs to know about this!" THESE are Marcellus' EXACT words: (DON'T talk about it ever!)
Secret#2) Only Tony Rocky Horror & Marcellus know: Why Tony was tossed out that window, and Tony now has a SPEECH IMPEDIMENT. (He CAN'T talk about it ever!)
FACT: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" is a musical about embracing homosexuality, bi-sexuality, transvestites, etc.
OPINION: To be nicknamed Tony "Rocky Horror" suggests to me that Tony was gay or suspected of being gay.
MY THEORIES: I'm thinking that whatever happened between Marcellus and Tony Rocky Horror bares a similarity between what happened with Marcellus and Zed, (consensual or not.) Marcellus doesn't have to worry about Butch telling anyone because he's leaving town for good, and he doesn't have to worry about Tony telling anyone because he has a speech impediment. Now the Bible does NOT condone homosexuality; (just read about Sodom & Gomorrah,) so now I'm really going to go out on a limb: When Vincent and Jules retrieve the briefcase, lock combination number 666, which contains the soul of Marcellus taken by the Devil, I wonder why the devil had it. Did Marcellus sell his soul and then buy it back? And for what did he originally sell it? Or how? Jules makes it a point to say: "You ‘guys’ tried to fuck Mr. Wallace like a bitch, and Marcellus Wallace doesn't like to get fucked by anyone except Mrs. Wallace!" as if to drive the point home that Marcellus is a heterosexual. There's that sting of pride fucking with him, and it wouldn't shock me if this man who was “getting fucked like a bitch,” literally OR metaphorically, would over-compensate in some way like having Jules yell all that stuff and then recite a passage from the Bible before killing Brett after they reclaim the briefcase with Marcellus’ soul. If Marcellus Wallace lost his soul to the Devil for being raped, or "dabbling in the love that dare not speak its name," and is then raped/sodomized such a short time after reclaiming his pure soul, it would certainly explain a lot...What reason did he give his boys for "getting medieval on that ass?" Zed gave Mia Wallace a foot massage too? LOL.
Marcellus HAS been raped/sodomized one time that we know of for certain by Zed...and maybe…just maybe…a time we do not know of, (but Tony does.) He just can’t tell us. (Just some theories, no facts.)
Pano
Secret#1) Only Butch & Marcellus know: The gay raping of Marcellus by Zed. When Butch saves Marcellus he says: "Nobody needs to know about this!" THESE are Marcellus' EXACT words: (DON'T talk about it ever!)
Secret#2) Only Tony Rocky Horror & Marcellus know: Why Tony was tossed out that window, and Tony now has a SPEECH IMPEDIMENT. (He CAN'T talk about it ever!)
FACT: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" is a musical about embracing homosexuality, bi-sexuality, transvestites, etc.
OPINION: To be nicknamed Tony "Rocky Horror" suggests to me that Tony was gay or suspected of being gay.
MY THEORIES: I'm thinking that whatever happened between Marcellus and Tony Rocky Horror bares a similarity between what happened with Marcellus and Zed, (consensual or not.) Marcellus doesn't have to worry about Butch telling anyone because he's leaving town for good, and he doesn't have to worry about Tony telling anyone because he has a speech impediment. Now the Bible does NOT condone homosexuality; (just read about Sodom & Gomorrah,) so now I'm really going to go out on a limb: When Vincent and Jules retrieve the briefcase, lock combination number 666, which contains the soul of Marcellus taken by the Devil, I wonder why the devil had it. Did Marcellus sell his soul and then buy it back? And for what did he originally sell it? Or how? Jules makes it a point to say: "You ‘guys’ tried to fuck Mr. Wallace like a bitch, and Marcellus Wallace doesn't like to get fucked by anyone except Mrs. Wallace!" as if to drive the point home that Marcellus is a heterosexual. There's that sting of pride fucking with him, and it wouldn't shock me if this man who was “getting fucked like a bitch,” literally OR metaphorically, would over-compensate in some way like having Jules yell all that stuff and then recite a passage from the Bible before killing Brett after they reclaim the briefcase with Marcellus’ soul. If Marcellus Wallace lost his soul to the Devil for being raped, or "dabbling in the love that dare not speak its name," and is then raped/sodomized such a short time after reclaiming his pure soul, it would certainly explain a lot...What reason did he give his boys for "getting medieval on that ass?" Zed gave Mia Wallace a foot massage too? LOL.
Marcellus HAS been raped/sodomized one time that we know of for certain by Zed...and maybe…just maybe…a time we do not know of, (but Tony does.) He just can’t tell us. (Just some theories, no facts.)
Pano
Secret#1) Only Butch & Marcellus know: The raping of Marcellus by Zed. When Butch saves Marcellus he says: "Nobody needs to know about this!" These are Marcellus' exact words: (DON'T talk about it ever!)
Secret#2) Only Tony Rocky Horror & Marcellus know: Why Tony was tossed out that window, and Tony now has a speech impediment. (He CAN'T talk about it ever!)
FACT: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" is a musical about embracing homosexuality, bi-sexuality, transvestites, etc.
OPINION: To be nicknamed Tony "Rocky Horror" suggests to me that Tony was gay or suspected of being gay and that’s what earned him that particular nickname.
MY THEORY: I'm thinking that whatever happened between Marcellus and Tony Rocky Horror bares a similarity between what happened with Marcellus and Zed. (Not necessarily identical, but similar.) Marcellus doesn't have to worry about Butch telling anyone because he's leaving town for good, and he doesn't have to worry about Tony telling anyone because he gave him a speech impediment. Now the Bible doesn’t condone homosexuality; (according to the story of Sodom & Gomorrah,) so now I'm really going to go out on a limb: When Vincent and Jules retrieve the briefcase, lock combination number 666, which contains the soul of Marcellus taken by the Devil, Jules makes it a point to say: "You ‘guys’ tried to fuck Mr. Wallace like a bitch, and Mr. Wallace doesn't like to get fucked by anyone except Mrs. Wallace!" as if to drive the point home that Marcellus is a heterosexual man who does not appreciate getting “fucked,” literally OR metaphorically, especially by these dudes, whoever they are. There's that “sting of pride” fucking with Marcellus who seems to be so familiar with that sting, and it wouldn't shock me if this man, Marcellus, who was “getting fucked like a bitch,” literally OR metaphorically, would compensate for this in some way like with Jules yelling all that stuff about getting fucked and then reciting a passage from the Bible before killing Brett once they reclaim the briefcase with Marcellus’ soul, but THEN they are saved by divine intervention when that Seinfeld looking guy shoots at them and misses from like 6feet away!!!??? Whoa! Those bullet holes were in the wall BEHIND Jules! You couldn’t SEE the bullet holes until Jules moved out of the way to turn around and look behind him! Now I know reciting Ezekiel 25:17 is Jules’ idea and not Marcellus’ but that’s a LOT of subliminal Biblical and religious undertones for a gangster film. I mean they are in the same “gang” playing for the same “team,” so to speak. And how ironic is it that Marcellus Wallace is raped/sodomized such a short time after reclaiming his pure soul? I wonder...what reason Marcellus gave his “heavy pipe-hitting niggaz” for "taking a pair of pliers and a blow-torch, and getting medieval on that ass?" He wouldn’t tell them the truth. “That’s between me, you, and soon to be living the rest of his short-ass life in agonizing pain. No one else needs to know.” He says to Butch. Perhaps he chose a reason more benign…(like Zed giving Mia Wallace a foot massage…lol.)
Marcellus HAS been raped/sodomized one time that we know of for certain (by Zed)...and maybe…just maybe…a time we do not know of, (but a time that Tony Rocky Horror does.) You see every detail of a movie, no matter how insignificant or miniscule, serves a purpose. Tony Rocky Horror was an overweight man. Why tell us that? Who cares? What difference does it make? What does it matter what he looks like, or how hard he presses down the scale? Well…..Marcellus is a pretty big guy himself. It stands to reason that it would take a pretty large man to rape and/or subdue Marcellus…like a “Samoan, not fat, but definitely has a weight problem” (according to Jules verbatim.)
Anyway…these are the things I pondered and put together; I guess it’s something to chew on. There’s a LOT of Biblical undertones for a gangster flick. Maybe they mean nothing, maybe they are a coincidence, or maybe “it’s a miracle and I want you to kinda acknowledge it.” Lol.
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